Anybody Here Read Howard Zinn Or Noam Chomsky

[starfish]

The surge in poverty comes alongside an unusual economic expansion.

So why did they not explain it to you? Ask yourself how any functional human being with any type of occupational skil whatsoever in the US can sit back and idly earn $9.903 a year while they have a spouse and 2 children is unfanthomable in a society that has a record unemployment rate. This report is not telling the full story. This report is choosing to manipulate the reader with false and misleading statements and inserting their left-wing political beliefs into the news versus reporting the full data or bothering to interpret it correctly.

For example, if a person reached critical mass i.e. they got FU money in savings in the bank were to quit his job in early January and never sought employment for the remainder of the year, he/she would fall into that group would they not? There are so many types of scenarios that can effect a survey in so many different ways, when the reporter choses to not include data which surely he must of had in front of him, he is giving you propaganda.

Politicians have leaned over backwards severely to help low income earners by becoming their daddy.

They came up with food assistance programs,

housing assistance,

home buying assistance,

medical and drug cost assistance,

education assistance,

job training assistance,

education grants,

government grants to open a business,

social security payments,

welfare,

unemployment compensation,

disaster relief grants,

womens, infants and childrens programs and services,

low income tax credits both State and Federal and in some areas Local,

child tax credits,

child care tax credits,

energy assistance,

assistance for those who are handicapped,

telephone assistance,

utility assistance,

weatherization assistance,

legal assistance,

and the list is practically unending.

These people do not know poverty like some third world individual. Many of these programs can be utilized by families earning up to $39,000 per year or more. There is a growing population of takers, they know all about how to get government handouts for nothing. The more the government entitlement programs provide the more needy certain people become, its a proven fact.

In this case your report ends with this telling statement, "U.S. social programs are minimal compared to those of western Europe and Canada. The United States has a population of 301 million, but more than 45 million U.S. citizens have no health insurance."

Out of the 45 million people, how many choose not to purchase available insurance from their employer because they do not wish to purchase a product they feel they will not be using? We know that there are at least 20 million undocumented illegals in this coutry alone. How many of them do not have health insurance? Are they included in the 45 million count? Who wrote this stupid article in the first place? Oh, it came from Agence France-Presse, a socialist French news agency. Go figure? So why did you bother wasting your time reading garbage reports like this one and add it on in an edit? Is it because everything you believed in has been shown to be a lie?

[PyROTech]

We could offer to put up the entire homeless membership in a four star resort and still we would have a large homeless population because a majority segment of this populace have choosen their place in society to be homeless because they are unwilling to follow any simple basic rules period. Those members should be jailed.

no, if someone wants to be poor and live near death, thats there choice, as long as it doesnt not impact directly or indirectly others then i have no problem with people doing what they want. Now finding out and/or quantifying the extent to which there choice of living as a homeless person has on society is a much more difficult question. The idea of handouts would make some feel that this choice is why they make it, but if someone whishes to live out in the woods starving everyday b/c of the lack of nutrition and i dont have to subsidize them, im cool.

[RAzOR]

American Corporations AND Foreign ones have a tremendous influence on our government. They also have a tremendous impact on each of us directly as well.

I don't things are much different today than they were a hundred years ago.

[Greenchunks]

It's funny, whenever I hop into the political forum, all I ever see is starfish spewing some random 'facts' and bickering about liberal this, socialist that, anti-semtic this. I always get this picture of a small log cabin in the middle of Montana with some guy with 12 rifles on his wall sitting there chewing on a piece of hops. Then mumbling about the goddamn liberals.....

[ThePOWERtoRULE]

It's funny, whenever I hop into the political forum, all I ever see is starfish spewing some random 'facts' and bickering about liberal this, socialist that, anti-semtic this. I always get this picture of a small log cabin in the middle of Montana with some guy with 12 rifles on his wall sitting there chewing on a piece of hops. Then mumbling about the goddamn liberals.....

That's funny, I see a bunch of liberals defending the books written by far-left writers as sacrosanct, and backing up the facts of left-biased books with facts from other left-biased books. Being from Santa Rosa, I just think back on the conversations I heard at wine parties the neighbors had and all of the yuppie-liberalism garbage that I was exposed too there.

It's about the same as the conservatives backing up their conservative biased articles with statements and facts from conservative biased pundits. I've already made my choice between yuppie-liberal garbage and white-trash backwoods conservative trash, take a look at what I call home.

The "RUSH IS RIGHT" thing is an embarrassment to anybody who's "right" or "conservative" or "republican" or whatever.

[Greenchunks]

That's funny, I see a bunch of liberals defending the books written by far-left writers as sacrosanct, and backing up the facts of left-biased books with facts from other left-biased books. Being from Santa Rosa, I just think back on the conversations I heard at wine parties the neighbors had and all of the yuppie-liberalism garbage that I was exposed too there.

It's about the same as the conservatives backing up their conservative biased articles with statements and facts from conservative biased pundits. I've already made my choice between yuppie-liberal garbage and white-trash backwoods conservative trash, take a look at what I call home.

The "RUSH IS RIGHT" thing is an embarrassment to anybody who's "right" or "conservative" or "republican" or whatever.

I'm from Santa Rosa as well (Forestville) and I know what you mean about the wine-snobs essentially stoking each others cocks about politics. I'm not particularly fond of Chomsky and Zinn, however I do find it interesting, just as I find reading George Will interesting too. Maybe if you read a lot more of starfish's posts in the political forum, even a conservative as yourself would see how far out in right field he is.

[starfish]

It's funny, whenever I hop into the political forum, all I ever see is starfish spewing some random 'facts' and bickering about liberal this, socialist that, anti-semtic this. I always get this picture of a small log cabin in the middle of Montana with some guy with 12 rifles on his wall sitting there chewing on a piece of hops. Then mumbling about the goddamn liberals.....

America's lowest-earning one-fifth of households received roughly $8.21 in government spending for each dollar of taxes paid in 2004.

Illegal immigrants getting free healthcare in US thanks to our overtaxed citizens. Doctor says, throw the bums out!

Friggle-fraggin crap-smackin goddamm liberals!!!

[PyROTech]

i dont see a point in social assistance of any kind that doesn't in some forum benefit the rest of society. Was it not the idea that when putting someone on some assistance that they get back into the job pool and start to make back the money that was originally spent getting them back in, plus more? If that does indeed happen then i dont mind some sorta of helping out, but only if your going to be on track to undo what you have taken and then pay back atleast a fair amount to which society lost as a result of spending on the assistance of them (example: basically the cost of borrowing at the time over that period).

Second, in my city some left wing commi (also there is this guy called the mayor, not related to my previous statement, hehehe) is raising taxes and its hurting everyone, not only indirectly but directly. From the 3.8 property tax hike, bastards.

some quotes from various newspapers over the last couple days (btw this has been a long running thing since the mayor was voted in again)

"Fees at city golf courses will go up by amounts ranging from 2.2% to 7%. The budget calls for rifle range fees to jump by 18%." wtf

Its gonna kill business and industry in downtown Toronto with this. Not to mention an extreme road toll system that i plan to fight, i have already joined with other members of the community where i live to fight a new public transit route through my backyard (i mean literally my backyard). But if the toll idea starts i want to have removed our current mayor any any city councilor that votes in favor of this idea, if that doesnt succed then downtown is doomed.

ok, the break down so far.

Toronto star newspaper.

"

Proposed wallet bites by city hall

Suggested taxes with estimated yearly revenue:

(all taxes based on pre-GST values)

Vehicle registration tax: $40 per vehicle: $43 million

Land transfer tax: 0.5 per cent of sale price: $103 million

Alcohol: 5 per cent tax at beer, wine and liquor stores: $44 million

Alcohol: 5 per cent tax on drinks in bars and restaurants: $24 million

Tobacco: 5 per cent tax:

$25 million

Movies: 5 per cent tax:

$4 million

Live sports events: 5 per cent tax: $7 million

Live entertainment tax:

5 per cent tax; $6 million

Parking: $100 annual fee per space for parking lot owners: $7 million

Billboard tax: $2 million

Road tolls or congestion tax: $75 million

Total: $340 million

"

[fromtheshadows]

America's lowest-earning one-fifth of households received roughly $8.21 in government spending for each dollar of taxes paid in 2004.

Illegal immigrants getting free healthcare in US thanks to our overtaxed citizens. Doctor says, throw the bums out!

Friggle-fraggin crap-smackin goddamm liberals!!!

Yay cheap labor say the Republicans. Then they make the taxpayer pay for it and blame the liberals. Ever heard if the Banana republic? The Texas Ranger mercenaries. BTW what happens when you steal ppls farms in Puerto Rico and ship their crops to the US for canning? They move here genius. Its this great earth turning American Capitalism that you speak of. Erase the liberals is your solution but youve conveniently forget to to search for the causes of the problems. Its the fault of ignoramus's who chose to point fingers at a demographic instead of understanding the reasons behind the problems (im not calling you adolph but you get the idea). You talk about where ppl live and criticize them based on that, wheres your location in your sig? I can back you up that we have a problems, but thats all you pose, more problems and no solutions that aren't laughable. Youre like a backwards walking clown. Sure we need to build a wall, kick out all "illegals" and treat gang violence as domestic terrorism and hang the offenders on the spot, but our economy would sorely miss the cheap labor. Liberals my ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD, how long did the republicans control the senate?The conservatives are also to be blamed. Politicians are all the same shade of gray.

[fromtheshadows]

i dont see a point in social assistance of any kind that doesn't in some forum benefit the rest of society. Was it not the idea that when putting someone on some assistance that they get back into the job pool and start to make back the money that was originally spent getting them back in, plus more? If that does indeed happen then i dont mind some sorta of helping out, but only if your going to be on track to undo what you have taken and then pay back atleast a fair amount to which society lost as a result of spending on the assistance of them (example: basically the cost of borrowing at the time over that period).

I understand your gripe, but around here "welfare" is the only thing that keeps people from robbing you at gunpoint to feed their 6 kids (and their meth habit).

[starfish]

Yay cheap labor say the Republicans. Then they make the taxpayer pay for it and blame the liberals. Ever heard if the Banana republic? The Texas Ranger mercenaries. BTW what happens when you steal ppls farms in Puerto Rico and ship their crops to the US for canning? They move here genius. Its this great earth turning American Capitalism that you speak of. Erase the liberals is your solution but youve conveniently forget to to search for the causes of the problems. Its the fault of ignoramus's who chose to point fingers at a demographic instead of understanding the reasons behind the problems (im not calling you adolph but you get the idea). You talk about where ppl live and criticize them based on that, wheres your location in your sig? I can back you up that we have a problems, but thats all you pose, more problems and no solutions that aren't laughable. Youre like a backwards walking clown. Sure we need to build a wall, kick out all "illegals" and treat gang violence as domestic terrorism and hang the offenders on the spot, but our economy would sorely miss the cheap labor. Liberals my jerk, how long did the republicans control the senate?The conservatives are also to be blamed. Politicians are all the same shade of gray.

This reminds me of that old drug abuse prevention commercial, you know the one with the egg frying in the pan.

[Moridin]

This reminds me of that old drug abuse prevention commercial, you know the one with the egg frying in the pan.

Of which millions of dollars of tax payers dollars was spent to create and advertise. Talk about a waste of money.

I like Chomsky's writing. A little out there, but when I watch the news and see someone like Ann Coulter being interviewed, I'm glad I read what I did.