PyROTech Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I'm sorry I'm biased I work for GM. Stupid quality problems of the 80s and 90s screwing us over, but alas let me interject although this probably isn't the right forum… The vette starts at 45K for the base 53K for the convertible and 70K for the Z06. So is this why our JD power IQS scores are getting closer to the likes of Toyota and Honda? I suppose this is also the reason for several favorable reviews of new products as well including one that pitted the new Saturn Aura against the Camry where it asked the question if Toyota has lost its edge. Yeah we've had our problems, we've admitted it. Are there still problems, yup. Are we working on fixing them, damn straight we are. Toyota has them too look at the new Tundra cam shaft failures or the previous generation's suspension failures. Again you don't hear about those problems now do you? Toyota was also under investigation in Japan for hiding safety problems. Ford recently beat out Toyota and Honda for quality, funny how good news doesn't travel as fast. I can't speak for the other companies, but there is a lot of pride here at GM. Oh and finally GM designers are above the accountants that's why cool cars such as the Saturn Sky and Chevy Camaro are actually making it somewhere. If we didn't care about quality we would have died a long time ago and wouldn't have increased our warranty. Our Saturn dealers also wouldn't invite you to drive a Civic and Camry when you test drive an Aura. GM just took back that crown thank you very much. I disagree. Pontiac as well as the other brands are getting face lifts (give it time) to take them back to their roots to a degree. Pontiac is going back to being the sporty brand that's why the GTO came back (they shouldn't have called it that though), the G8 is coming, and the Solstice is here. What GM needs to do and is doing to a degree is differentiate its products that are on the same platform so there isn't as much competition among its brands. Look at the Sky and Solstice.Oh Toyota also has Scion… Let's face it we're all biased. We all know someone who got screwed by a GM product. We also know that one black mark is worth 10 positive ones. I'm not saying Toyota or Honda make a bad car, I'm not I think they make a good car, and so does GM. GM needs work and so does Toyota (as evidenced by an increase in recalls as the industry trend is down as is GM's). I'd like to end with an experiment that my coworker ran. He had a Buick that he took to customers to get their opinions on. They played with it and overall the response was negative. He returned later with the same car badged as a Toyota, response was positive.just to add there, my old sunfire build quality was the same as my popisicle barn house i made when in grade 5. I dont think its that gm and ford arent making good cars, we as the public dont trust you anymore, 10 years of my crappy cars is hard to overcome. Do you think if your wife cheated on you for 10 years you would think in the 11th that she is gonna be faithfull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info2x Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 just to add there, my old sunfire build quality was the same as my popisicle barn house i made when in grade 5. I dont think its that gm and ford arent making good cars, we as the public dont trust you anymore, 10 years of my crappy cars is hard to overcome. Do you think if your wife cheated on you for 10 years you would think in the 11th that she is gonna be faithfull?Oh don't I know it. Like I said stupid quality issues of the 80s and 90s are screwing us over now. GM successfully alienated an entire generation; mine, so much so that most of my generation doesn’t even bother looking at any GM vehicle when buying a car. I would have never even considered a GM vehicle until I started working here, except for the trucks because the inner me just say American trucks are solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGB Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Oh don't I know it. Like I said stupid quality issues of the 80s and 90s are screwing us over now. GM successfully alienated an entire generation; mine, so much so that most of my generation doesn’t even bother looking at any GM vehicle when buying a car. I would have never even considered a GM vehicle until I started working here, except for the trucks because the inner me just say American trucks are solid.Info, i think most of what you say is right on the money. The domestic manufacturers are building the best cars ever, now! Toyota found its market and for a long time, GM didn't pick up on how fast the imports were becoming popular, this hurt them severely in recent years and they are just now starting to dig themselves out of the hole they are in. I think GM's offerings right now are great, each of their brands is redefining their image as different from the others and unique, plus the build quality is way up and the designs are right on the money (for most models, not all). GM has a chance to make a come-back and I, for one, think they can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubalcain Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Wouldn't that make it pretty much the same thing as a BMW?So one, why would BMW do that. Competition within their own brands?Two, if anyone wants that, just buy a damn bimmer. And Volvo's entire company is based on safety, so why would they have a RWD performance oriented model?If they are soley built on safety then why put a high pressure turbo on a sedan? Participate in British Touring Car races? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubalcain Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Reserrection of the turbo?? I drove a 2008 S80 T6 today, it had 6 miles on it.2008 did not have a t6 option, they are slowly phasing the turbo out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubalcain Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 2008 did not have a t6 option, they are slowly phasing the turbo outI retract my statement about the T6...sorry..media tends to hide that important fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxx999 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Ok everybody repeat after me.... KIASPEED!!! lol nah just shoot me now, thats just wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raintracks Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Any thing will be better then Ford , Just no more domestic owners they all make junk cars.BINGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGB Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 BINGOHalf the time i can't understand what Chilled Man writes because his syntax and grammar are so bad, but if he's saying that the domestic manufacturers only make junk then he is sadly mistaken. Many of the new domestic models have higher quality ratings than their imported competition, have you driven a new domestic in the past 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brickman25 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Here is another article on why Ford will probaly sell Volvo. Check it Out http://time-blog.com/curious_capitalist/20..._detroit_1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyWriter Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 i liked dodge in to 60's and 70's. the recent charger styling is hideous. please save us from that fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_the_fox Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 And sure they had a 300hp car... with just a hair more WHP than a T5M AWD Drivetrain loss FTLS60R = 212 hp at the wheels stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael V70T5 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) Personally I think Ford should sell Volvo. After all Ford seems to only have stolen (taken) the ideas from Volvo to enhance Ford models, from what I've seen they have done nothing for Volvo. Speaking of which, if they sold Volvo would they be held responsible for using the S80 platform? Edited July 24, 2007 by Michael V70 T5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelostartof Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Personally I think Ford should sell Volvo. After all Ford seems to only have stolen (taken) the ideas from Volvo to enhance Ford models, from what I've seen they have done nothing for Volvo. Speaking of which, if they sold Volvo would they be held responsible for using the S80 platform?they have done everything for volvothey have LEFT volvo alone and let them keep working on thier cars which is the BEST thing ford could of ever done for volvo. So you want ford to of done with volvo what GM did with saab eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uwackme Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I dont know about that, there is alot of Ford-ness added to the newer Volvo's.... starting with the tranny.Ford isn't as bad as Chrysler. I knew when MB was gonna buy them that MB would be doomed. It's like the old ad, "You got stuff in my chocolate, no you got chocolate in my stuff". Umm, you will NEVER end up with chocolate flavored stuff, you will always end up with stuff flavored chocolate. MB is doomed, once infected, there is no cure.None of these company's have the $$ to buy Volvo. First make the list out of companies NOT on their way to bankruptcy.Personally I'm hoping GM sells off Corvette/Cadillac, but its only a dream. Meantime, the new Corvette is the Best Bang for the Buck in a performance car.... saving pennies, saving pennies. Ive got about 4 million pennies to go I'd prefer to do the work myself. Hitting the YearOne catalog, must choose between a NEW 1969 Camaro or a NEW 1967 Mustang :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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