RAzOR Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 ...I hate the idea of a bi-lingual america. ...I suspect the reason they are NOT assimilating is that they feel (and are) neither here (in the US legally) nor there (in Mexico physically). Once they get the official open arms from Uncle Sam, I think we will begin to see a lot of change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I really don't think I'm being a bigot... and I don't take kindly to being called one. Spanish doesn't make me uncomfortable, neither does French, German, etc... I'm in awe of people who speak more than just one language, I still get confused speaking just one. "plenty of other nations speak upwards of 10 different languages." Yep, your right. And if every individual state in our nation spoke a different language, the same would be true for us as well.You say that plenty of nations speak upwards of 10 different languages. Q. Where in the worlds leading economies will you find these?A. At the bottom!Haven't we as a nation already been there?I thought we all decided to move on from that point a long time ago?Are you suggesting we go backwards?A nation without borders is not a nation.A nation without a common language is chaos in the making.A nation of people without a common cultural ideal is anarchy.If we let into our country every third world person from some dictatorship led regime who comes here seeking whatever and without any regard grant them citizenship to them as they have from day one overwhelmingly violated our laws, disrespected our borders, our language and culture, etc., now that they are legal what type of politician do you think they will elect?You think having them pay some kind of taxes will absolve them?They don't give a rat's you know what about the country.Just because there is a welcome mat at the front door to your home, is breaking and entering allowed?Please don't be so naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 yay for long posts...not going to happen. the democratic party is pretty much the same as the republican party. the only difference is that they don't have to pander to the religious right. they pretend to pander to progressives instead, but don't deliver any results. you won't see any kind of expansive social programs or renovation of our society, or infrastructure. nobody has the vision for it. the function of our gov't has pretty much been reduced to making corperate america and foreign investors as much money as possible while keeping the rest of us scared, distracted, and "happy."we need a real and honest debate about global warming. is it happening? yes. what we need to be debating is if we had anything to do with it, and if we can do anything to change it, and if we should change it. lots of evidence suggests that co2 has nothing to do with warming. that's why temperature increases before co2 levels historically, and is also why not a single researcher has yet to account for the water cycle. why not? because we don't yet understand the entire water cycle. until we do all the global warming models are pretty much useless. 1. it will get you continued credit and it will maintain the economy on which your life depends. at the very least, it will help those pieces of paper and the little digital numbers you call money maintain their purchasing power, and will continue to attract investment to the united states. most of all though, it'll mean we won't be completely screwed when people decide we owe them enough money and they're not giving us anymore.2. real gov't services. what do you get for the taxes you pay now? pretty much nothing. i dunno about you, but the roads i drive on suck, there aren't enough police, the fire dept. is underfunded, the electric grid is falling apart, sewers are also falling apart. etc etc etc. i have no problem paying taxes. i just want to actually get something from the gov't in return. if i could i'd give my tax dollars to a gov't that would actually supply my demands, but it doesn't work like that.3. it'll make you not stupid. there is no reason what-so-ever we need to be spending as much on this war as we are. we have more resources, better trained and more numerous troops. why the can't we spend as much or less money then "the terrorists?" i'm sorry, but hunting down a bunch of guys in cities and caves should not cost the u.s. military billions of dollars. we're smarter (or should be). this isn't like were fighting the russians or something... we're fighting guys in caves. CAVES! and people in cities all over the world who are in sleeper cells, and aren't going to be found or dealt with by the military anyway.4. high taxes can be good for the economy. bill clinton raised them without a problem. it all depends on what you tax and how you spend that money.most illegals do pay taxes. they cannot get a job without false documentation, which means they get taxed. the funny thing is they do not get their taxes back like you and me, because if they file the return, they'll get deported. they also cannot claim benefits for the taxes they pay (unemployment, ss, etc.). and they do not take american's jobs. that's just silly. they work jobs americans do not want to do. and if you should desire to work as a janitor at the city bus terminal, you shouldn't have any problem getting hired over a mexican. you got an education in this country for free, you know the culture because you've lived here all your life and not just a monht, and you also speak english. if you can't get that job over a mexican, it is not the mexican's fault. it's yours.people in india and china take jobs away from americans. they take manufacturing jobs, they take design and software jobs, etc, etc, etc. they are not taking our janitorial work.and the u.s. should not have an official language. stop being a xenophobic bigot. what's it matter if we have more than one language in this country? plenty of other nations speak upwards of 10 different languages. if spanish makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. and maybe take heart in the fact that mexicans, like every immigrant population before them, speak mostly english by the third generation.-mikeMike, I've tried to read the meaning your comments as clearly as I can hopefully understand what you are trying to say. There must be something on this board with guys named Mike? But I digress. One of your points that is quite alarming to me is your summary of how the government taxes and spends. Q. If you Mike, were to spend money like the government or file your IRS statements with the same level of nonsense the Congress uses to pass these spending bills, do you know where you would be today? A. In prison!There is no need to further feed the pig and send additional tax money to these crackheads in Government (name any parties blowhard) office and believe for one moment that they found religion and now will quit spending and pay off all or some of the debt that THEY ACCUMULATED!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I suspect the reason they are NOT assimilating is that they feel (and are) neither here (in the US legally) nor there (in Mexico physically). Once they get the official open arms from Uncle Sam, I think we will begin to see a lot of change for the better.One reason they are not assimulating into the American fabric and traditions is that too many career politicians that the American citizen elected to represent us on our needs have decided that granting rights to the illegal immigrant instead as they break our laws and helping to divide us as a nation of people has become more fashionable in front of the tv cameras of the liberal press. The illegals know that the American political system is in total disarray and we are an easy target. Believe what you want but illegal South Americans from other countries ain't gettin no red carpet treatment at Mexico's border like we offer at our southern border.You southern atate boys ought to help out by takeing down all of those "Happy Hour" signs at the crosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 One reason they are not assimulating into the American fabric and traditions is that too many career politicians that the American citizen elected to represent us on our needs have decided that granting rights to the illegal immigrant instead as they break our laws and helping to divide us as a nation of people has become more fashionable in front of the tv cameras of the liberal press. The illegals know that the American political system is in total disarray and we are an easy target. Believe what you want but illegal South Americans from other countries ain't gettin no red carpet treatment at Mexico's border like we offer at our southern border.You southern atate boys ought to help out by takeing down all of those "Happy Hour" signs at the crosing.Wow, really hard to read Fish. I disagree with your supposition that"The illegals know that the American political system is in total disarray and we are an easy target. ".Come on. Most of them have little or no education. They don't know anything other than they want to work and become Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Wow, really hard to read Fish. I disagree with your supposition that"The illegals know that the American political system is in total disarray and we are an easy target. ".Come on. Most of them have little or no education. They don't know anything other than they want to work and become Americans.Just how much education does one need to see that the US of A is in disarray on immigration? Any idiot foreign or domestic pretty much have that one figured out!If the illegals want to become American, why in the heck do I have to press 2 for English?Wholesale distribution of American citizenship to illegal immigrants by pandering politicians just seems to bring more in??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 If the illegals want to become American, why in the heck do I have to press 2 for English?Becuase the current arrangement does not LET them become citizens. It does not even acknowledge that THEY ARE HERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 RAzOR, Just because I have a welcome mat at my front door doesn't allow the burglar to come into my home and be treated as a house guest. Usually that kind of thing get's him a new blow hole between the eyes!This is a country of laws. Why is it that you and I as citizens of this fine land have to obey every last stinkin one of um and illegals are just pleased to do what ever they wish on your and my dime?If you or I went down to Mexico and pulled the same stuff, what do you think the Mexican government would do to us?If the illegal Mexicans that come to this most glorious nation of ours in uncontrolled numbers, you living out in Mexifornia should know this, how good is it for the taxpaying public and what kind of burden must you pay for allowing these additional pigs at your public trough?Mexico is not a poor country by any standard. Some of the citizens may be poor but that is not our problem. Mexico is a huge oil supplier to the US of A. At about 80 bucks a barrel and not having to put up with the political I'm dumb agenda as put forth by American policymakers against oil producers, their sittin pretty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 I agree with you about fixing Mexico but the very leaders we elect to create and enforce the laws are ignoring them and deporting 12-20 million illegals who work hard and just want to become Americans is not practical nor good for us and them. I am NOT saying make them citizens. I am saying screen them and make them legal residents. AND CLAMP THE BORDER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlecap Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Mike, I've tried to read the meaning your comments as clearly as I can hopefully understand what you are trying to say. There must be something on this board with guys named Mike? But I digress. One of your points that is quite alarming to me is your summary of how the government taxes and spends. Q. If you Mike, were to spend money like the government or file your IRS statements with the same level of nonsense the Congress uses to pass these spending bills, do you know where you would be today? A. In prison!There is no need to further feed the pig and send additional tax money to these crackheads in Government (name any parties blowhard) office and believe for one moment that they found religion and now will quit spending and pay off all or some of the debt that THEY ACCUMULATED!!!!what? how about you clarify your own post there big guy. i didn't summerize anything about taxation and spending, i asked you what you got for the taxes you pay. the answer is pretty much nothing. i didn't suggest we pay more taxes, i suggested that the gov't use the money i do send them to better my life instead of ripping me off, and i said that if i could, i would send my money to a competing gov't that actually met my demands as a consumer (of gov't services).-mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 I am NOT saying make them citizens. I am saying screen themScreen em like Willy freakin Wonka!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starfish Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 what? how about you clarify your own post there big guy. i didn't summerize anything about taxation and spending, i asked you what you got for the taxes you pay. the answer is pretty much nothing. i didn't suggest we pay more taxes, i suggested that the gov't use the money i do send them to better my life instead of ripping me off, and i said that if i could, i would send my money to a competing gov't that actually met my demands as a consumer (of gov't services).-mikeDear Mike,Send me your paycheck, give me control of your checking account, put my name on yours savings plans and make me the master of your retirement funds. I won't rip you off, I promise! I'll give you back your money anyway and at anytime I seem fit to do so! Regards your friend,Hillary Clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///RonalT5 Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Mike,Send me your paycheck, give me control of your checking account, put my name on yours savings plans and make me the master of your retirement funds. I won't rip you off, I promise! I'll give you back your money anyway and at anytime I seem fit to do so! Regards your friend,Hillary ClintonYa, she did that to the people of New York, and that is why they have re-elected her... I personally don't think she should be the candidate for prez. I haven't argued with fish in a while, haha.~Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted August 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Screen em like Willy freakin Wonka!!! Well, more like our normal immigrant evaluation process. But chocolate sounds good right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlecap Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Dear Mike,Send me your paycheck, give me control of your checking account, put my name on yours savings plans and make me the master of your retirement funds. I won't rip you off, I promise! I'll give you back your money anyway and at anytime I seem fit to do so! Regards your friend,Hillary Clintonhow does this comment have anything to do with this discussion? i asked you for clarification, not a bunch of off topic bs.-mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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