Tell Me What You Feel About This Statement

[Yellow95]

Kashif might be able to speak much better to this point.

You had me until that sentence.

Gary

[c70turbo5]

Very good point, but is it part of thier religion to harm others, or just leaders with an agenda? Gary

YES!!!!! this is the only point i have been trying to make..... violent+religion: leaders with agenda that twist faith

True but that was directed at each other, and limited to Ireland. Stupid and senseless nonetheless.

there isn't oil there ;) Edited September 26, 2007 by c70turbo5

[starfish]

Fish, you really aren't making any points here. And the Inquisition was horrible but your point SHOULD be that it was 500 years ago. The Catholic Church is very corrupt yada yada yada...

Okay you Little Leagers, let's get started!

Gary wrote "I am not going to tell you what religion I am speaking about. I just want to know if you agree with this statement."

Focus like a laser beam here now and think of what he has just stated and do not add anything to your mind about different religions and stereotypes just yet. Focus, focus, focus, focus, focus! Think, think, think, think, think! Focus, think, focus, think, focus, focus, think! Hmmmmm, feels good right? Easy there now, for some of you this might be your first time and no one needs to get hurt!

Okay now Gary writes:"Any religion that demands earthly vengence and retribution for ANY reason is not a religion at all. It is an illness and should be treated as such."

Continue to focus, continue to think...hmmmmmm! Did you figure it out? Focus more intently, think harder!

While you were thinking I'll bet you thought of all of the horrors told to you about world religions conflicting with the love of God and the death to mankind by those chasing a relationship with God has brought.

Now you may have thought what or which religion would be the most horrible, the worst of the worst, basically nothing but wicked evil hiding behind God.

Right at that split second you have been had!

You have been victimized, raped, tortured by this pseudo religion!

But wait!!! Remember...Focus, Think!

There is no one specific religion that has not seen pain and misfortune by malpracticing followers that standsout more than another. Sure there may have been some very dissettling times in religous history to say the least by a few, especially so when we are not fully informed and take events out of context.

BUT, there is one religion that does meet Gary's statement 100% at every angle at every point in history.

The age of this religion far exceeds any of the more popular religions. This particular religion began soon after the dawn of man.

Yes, there is only one religion that demands earthy vengence and retribution for ANY reason.

This religion is indeed the religion of a very sick part of our society.

The followers of all of the worlds religions fight this one particularly evil religion on a daily basis.

One day this religion will be defeated.

On that day there will be a world awakening.

On that day there will be world peace.

On that day all spirits will be lifted and all hearts will rejoice.

A voice cries out...Starfish tell us, tell us oh great one! What is the name of this ugly, hideously evil religion?

Liberalism!...Liberalism!

Liberalism is a mental disorder! He replies

Peace! B)

[Kashif]

I have been told that the Islamic community at large has no religeously based renunciation of the Radical Islamists' citations of the clauses of the Jihad responsibility in the Koran and the call to it as a neglected duty. Consqeuently, the passive Muslim cannot refute the call to arms of their religeon and the become, at the least, non-defiant, because they cannot argue against it.

This is a real danger and must be clearly identified as such.

Kashif might be able to speak much better to this point. I have very little firsthand knowledge of what I speak- I, like most of us, must rely on what we sift out of our daily barrage of largely useless news.

Jihad is not war it is to struggle against ones inner demons and to control the self. And trust me when people talk nonsense about Jihad I and many other knowledge muslim do talk back. It just not reported. Peace based muslims rallys don't sell newspapers. And they do happened, they are just not reported.

If you want to judge a religion, meet and talk and work besides those who follow it. I denounce the terrorist and all their actions. But I do it through words, and actions. I use the concepts of mercy and kindness that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) taught the muslims. I use these concepts everyday when I work and converse with my co-workers and patients. One of the concepts that he taught was that of directing your entire self to one person when they speak. Meaning he would smile at them, greet them with kindness, and he would not deviate his attention towards them. Only when his speaker would break the conversation, would he break the discourse. I try to emulate that in my life, and this really works with people who are sick and needing your full attention. When I show people this kind of professionalism and respect I believe I am representing my religion and my people. This is how I show that Islam is not evil or any other such nonsense.

Looks like my stalkers back. Exactly who I thought it would offend. See profiling does work.

Gary

Yawn

Liberalism!...Liberalism!

Liberalism is a mental disorder! He replies

Let me guess you have Savage's book right ;)

[RAzOR]

Jihad is not war it is to struggle against ones inner demons and to control the self. And trust me when people talk nonsense about Jihad I and many other knowledge muslim do talk back. It just not reported. Peace based muslims rallys don't sell newspapers. And they do happened, they are just not reported.

If you want to judge a religion, meet and talk and work besides those who follow it. I denounce the terrorist and all their actions. But I do it through words, and actions. I use the concepts of mercy and kindness that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) taught the muslims. I use these concepts everyday when I work and converse with my co-workers and patients. One of the concepts that he taught was that of directing your entire self to one person when they speak. Meaning he would smile at them, greet them with kindness, and he would not deviate his attention towards them. Only when his speaker would break the conversation, would he break the discourse. I try to emulate that in my life, and this really works with people who are sick and needing your full attention. When I show people this kind of professionalism and respect I believe I am representing my religion and my people. This is how I show that Islam is not evil or any other such nonsense.

Thanks, well said. From your last line, there are those today who do evil in the name of Islam. And therein lies your struggle, with those demons.

It is a struggle we all are in right now.

[starfish]

Let me guess you have Savage's book right

Movement to Classify 'Liberalism' as Mental Disorder Gains Steam

Think that some of President Bush's judicial nominees are 'out of the mainstream'? Worried that John Bolton may not have the temperament to represent the U.S. at the U.N.? If some Republicans get their way, there may soon be an official diagnosis of what really ails you: political paranoia disorder.

American Psychiatric Association approves the inclusion of "Political Paranoia" in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

By Hermione Slatkin, medical correspondent

NEW YORK, NY—When Zacharia Goodman recently sought out the help of a therapist, it was no mystery as to what was ailing him. The 27-year-old copy editor was so consumed by his belief that President George W. Bush stole the 2004 election that he was having trouble sleeping, completing rudimentary tasks at work, and carrying on conversations about topics not related to politics.

The therapist he consulted wrote Goodman a prescription for the social anxiety drug Paxil and encouraged him to spend less time reading left-wing Web logs and listening to Air America.

This particular story has a happy ending; Goodman admits that he's already far less irritating to be around than he was just a few weeks ago. But countless paranoids just like him may be going untreated, say mental health professionals. The reason: the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or DSM presently excludes political paranoia from its 933 pages of symptoms, diagnoses and treatment recommendations.

Democrat or just demented?

Now a group of Republican lawmakers is hoping that they can do something about the problem. Early this summer, Senator Bill Frist, the first practicing physician elected to the Senate since 1928, plans to file a bill that would define "political paranoia" as a mental disorder, paving the way for individuals who suffer from paranoid delusions regarding voter fraud, political persecution and FBI surveillance to receive Medicare reimbursement for any psychiatric treatment they receive.

Rick Smith, a spokesman for Senator Frist, says that the measure has a good chance of passing—something that can only help a portion of the population that is suffering significant distress.

"If you're still convinced that President Bush won the election because Republicans figured out a way to hack into electronic voting machines, you've obviously got a problem," says Smith. "If we can figure out a way to ease your suffering by getting you into therapy and onto medication, that's something that we hope the entire 109th Congress will support."

Politcical Paranoia Inventory (PPI) Self Test

[Yellow95]

Hmmm, I found a religion that does promote hate crimes. I wont tell you what this religion is, but here are some excerpts directly out of their "holy" book.

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Q 2:190-3

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Q 9:5

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Q 9:73

Religion or agenda?

Gary

[c70turbo5]

well since the feds are probably monitering my computer for searching that.........

might as well post,

that is very interesting, but to question that i'll bring up some versus from the bible.

Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Psalms 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them.

Now looking at these alone can seem very bad and evil......... but they are taken out of context when specifically extracted from the bible.

and it brings up anoter question in my mind, if the Quran specifically advocates violence... why are so many muslums actually peaceful? translation and interpretation are powerful.

tryin to be the devil's advocate now a little bit but it seemsto be turning into a halfway decent convo

[Yellow95]

well since the feds are probably monitering my computer for searching that.........

might as well post,

that is very interesting, but to question that i'll bring up some versus from the bible.

Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Psalms 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them.

Now looking at these alone can seem very bad and evil......... but they are taken out of context when specifically extracted from the bible.

and it brings up anoter question in my mind, if the Quran specifically advocates violence... why are so many muslums actually peaceful? translation and interpretation are powerful.

tryin to be the devil's advocate now a little bit but it seemsto be turning into a halfway decent convo

Very good points. That is exactly what I want to see. Every side and every angle.

Gary

[c70turbo5]

Very good points. That is exactly what I want to see. Every side and every angle.

Gary

I wish i could read and understand arabic culture more...... because i don't think i can fully grasp what they take in just by reading a translation. it's really got me thinking now......

i mean... as a percentage the Quran has more violence per page than the bible, and "in translation" seems to advocate more violence directly.

What i wonder is if the Bible was translated to Arabic, would they see in the bible what we see in the Quran?

[Yellow95]

True- I have a friend that wrote a book about his translation of the bible and he found it more Prophetic then anything else. He was able to draw parallels very similar to those of Nostradamus. I guess at least you and I can agree that things definitely change in the translation. I strongly believe that people believe what they are taught. Hate is not a trait you are born with. it is taught. Unfortunatley it seems to find its roots in the one thing that should promote tolerance.

Gary

[HtownTurboBrick]

True- I have a friend that wrote a book about his translation of the bible and he found it more Prophetic then anything else. He was able to draw parallels very similar to those of Nostradamus. I guess at least you and I can agree that things definitely change in the translation. I strongly believe that people believe what they are taught. Hate is not a trait you are born with. it is taught. Unfortunatley it seems to find its roots in the one thing that should promote tolerance.

Gary

what i've been saying, i want to go it more but i realized my post will be too long winded to be doing it from work.

[///RonalT5]

God, fish, your head is still in your @$$. Except to disagree on different view points. If someone has different points than you, that doesn't mean they are wrong. That is called something like arrogance. You certainly do not know everything and it doesn't matter how many conservative websites you source. Anywho, about the topic. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are NOT a religion. I do not like religions that teach that perspective, but if that is what they want to preach, then let them do it.

~Mike

[Kashif]

Since Gary started this discussion by asking everyone what they felt about a certain statement I would like to do the same.

A man came to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and asked him a few questions, here is a breif overview of the discussion that ensued

Q: I wish to be the richest man in the world

A: "Be Contented, and you will be the richest man in the world"

Q: I would like to be the most just man

A: "Desire for others what you desire for yourself,and you will be the most just of men"

Q: I want to be the best of men

A: "Do Good to others and you will be the best of men"

Q: I would like to complete my faith

A: "If you have good manners you will complete your faith"

Q: What are the best deeds in the eyes of Allah

A: "Gentle manners, modesty and patience"

Q: What are the worst evils in the eyes of Allah?

A: "Hot temper and miserliness"

Q: What will save me from sins?

A: "Tears, humility and illness"

And this is one the final things that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said to the Muslim community

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action.

Edited September 29, 2007 by Kashif

[starfish]

God, fish, your head is still in your @$$. Except to disagree on different view points. If someone has different points than you, that doesn't mean they are wrong. That is called something like arrogance. You certainly do not know everything and it doesn't matter how many conservative websites you source. Anywho, about the topic.

~Mike

How many examples do you need before you learn how really evil the religion of liberalism really is? For the matter of keeping things on a level you might understand Mike, tell me how liberalism protected the rights of the Duke lacrosse players? How did liberalism protect the lives and property of the citizens of New Orleans? How has Liberalism improved the economic conditions in South America or on the continent of Africa?

My argument is that the God-less religion of Liberalism has caused more death, more human suffering, more economic loss and more earthly damage than all other religions combined.