survolvo Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I'm not looking for +1 on my post or anything like that, but an acknowledgment and some kind words would be nice.Thank you for all who have done that. Not trying to be an ass, this is just something that has touched me deep, but it just seemed no one even read what I posted, as the next comment was laughing about blowing a diff. The fire shelters are more of a novelty in a real blow over like that. They have helped save lives before, in much smaller fires, but in something like what they experienced, it doesn't do anything. They are nick-named "Shake and Bakes" We are trained to be able to go from normal firefighting activities to being in your shelter in under a minute, but that is rarely the amount of time you get. You don't really dig a fox hole. Maybe a little hole to shove your face in to try to escape the super heated gasses. At most you will have 1 minute to strip all unnecessary gear, and get in your shelter. Most firefighters will never deploy one on the fire line in their careers, and most of the ones that do, the odds are against them. The main cause of firefighter fatalities, is not burning, but breathing the superheated gasses. One breath of them and your lungs are vaporized. From my readings, the one person that did survive was the look out, who obviously had a few more seconds to prepare, and unknown if he alerted everyone else. But really everyone is suppose to be a lookout. Not only did they probably love the thrill of firefighting, but they loved the sense of doing something that helped others, which is the main reason most of us do it. This is such a horrible thing, I can only imagine what was going through their minds when it was happening.And I feel deeply for all those that they left behind. Its a sad day for everyone, specially all firefighters. I could not sleep last night, thinking about all of this, and the horror that they experienced. It will be a lesson for everyone, I'm sure we will be hearing more and more about it as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 heard this on NPR this morning too, that's awful, i've also heard its the worst way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 i've also heard its the worst way to goMaybe I'm taking this in a bit morbid of direction, but I've always heard drowning was the worst. But who knows how true any of it is. At least with fire I'd hope you pass out quickly. With water, you've got a couple of the longest minutes of your life.Speaking of old wives tails, anyone from New England grow up thinking lady slippers were illegal to pick or damage? Bunch of us were talking about it this weekend, and we all grew up thinking the same thing (and grew up in relatively different areas). Yet all I could find is that they are high risk for becoming endangered, but not really illegal or actually endangered status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 one of the regulars on Howard stern had a broken neck in shallow water etc. he drowned. said it was very peaceful and not painful. He was not able to lift his head out of the water . he was brought back but is paralyzed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Either way, I'm sure their families are devastated by the loss. 19 firefighters is a huge number, I can't imagine how insane it must be to battle blazes of that size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 On a lighter note: why I don't ever lock my wagon anymore..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterhalo Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Have a cousin in Idaho that was a smoke jumper. He had several close calls with flashbacks. Retired now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I'm not looking for +1 on my post or anything like that, but an acknowledgment and some kind words would be nice.Thank you for all who have done that. Not trying to be an ass, this is just something that has touched me deep, but it just seemed no one even read what I posted, as the next comment was laughing about blowing a diff. You're right, I didn't read it, until now. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Robots are taking over golf. Rory McIlroy gets smack talked and matched by a Golf robot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 yeah, saw that the other day. Those pro's have crazy skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Burn-E Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I feel deceived. I felt for sure this was an unknown video that I had not yet come across of Gabe getting busted for having his bosozoku exhaust tip! http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?194901-Officer-and-the-Muffler-Who-was-right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdlarson Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Very sad day for these heros and their families and friends. Please do anything you can to support these brave souls. RIP Yep, awful. And like Fudgie, just not sure what to say to that but to think quietly to myself about their families. I'm in Montana and have been to the Smokejumper Center in MIssoula where there is a memorial to the 13 (12 smokejumpers and one other firefighter) who died in the Mann Gulch fire in 1949. I think what these people do and the guts they have is so alien to most of us ordinary folk who run away from fires. Well I did once run into a garage that a truck had just crashed through and I knew the truck full of lawn equipment and gas cans was dangerous but I was never thinking of that when I was running in there to check on the incapacitated driver. But jumping out of a perfectly good airplane into a forest fire, that is incredible and takes a special kind of person indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 thought this was neato http://freshome.com/2009/12/05/incredible-underground-residence-in-switzerland/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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