thewhiteguy1 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 its undeniable that these banned substances enhance ability and therefore enhances entertainment don't know that I agree with this completely, most banned substances usually enhance muscle strength/growth etc but not necessarily ability. Just bc you're stronger doesn't mean you can catch a ball better, juke left and right better, or tackle better.... I will say the NFL really reminds me of the TSA in someways. They are a reactive organization instead of a proactive organization. And they also don't give two shits other than anything other than money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I will say the NFL really reminds me of the TSA in someways. They are a reactive organization instead of a proactive organization. And they also don't give two shits other than anything other than money Boom. If the issues weren't in the media, they wouldn't care one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 don't know that I agree with this completely, most banned substances usually enhance muscle strength/growth etc but not necessarily ability. Just bc you're stronger doesn't mean you can catch a ball better, juke left and right better, or tackle better.... As with any PED you get out of it what you put in so in that respect yes it does enhance ability. Being able to train harder will ultimately result in better performance, whatever your sport... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 other than like anabolics etc, most PED are all about recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 You know recovery is when you actually build strength right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 not necessarily, when i consider recovery, i'm thinking removal of lactic acids. oxygenating blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 and you don't consider blood doping a version of PED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 without a doubt its cheating. but you could argue, its your own blood, nothing added to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I know very little about any type of illegal technique, but it seems like some methods can be safely used in mild, controlled ways. Similar to any drug or exercise. What if some methods were made legal or accepted by the sport, but only if regulated by their docs? Does that reduce the risk associated with people playing guessing games, hiding complications, or over-use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm sorry but if you pull your blood, store it and then re-inject it, it's blatant doping, no better than PED's. It'd be like taking steroids and saying: I'm just taking a concentrated version of what's naturally in my body. Recovery assistance should be mechanical IMHO, massage, ice baths, etc... If anything has to enter your body, you're not following the spirit of fair sportsmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) .. If anything has to enter your body, you're not following the spirit of fair sportsmanship. So my post ride protein shake is out by those terms too? I know very little about any type of illegal technique, but it seems like some methods can be safely used in mild, controlled ways. Similar to any drug or exercise. What if some methods were made legal or accepted by the sport, but only if regulated by their docs? Does that reduce the risk associated with people playing guessing games, hiding complications, or over-use? like how steroids are prescribed to people after surgeries and even child birth? Edited October 7, 2014 by Mesoam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 So my post ride protein shake is out by those terms too? like how steroids are prescribed to people after surgeries and even child birth? I should clarify: meds, anything involving syringes, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survolvo Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have been prescribed steroids a few times after having inhaled a lot of poison oak smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 So my post ride protein shake is out by those terms too? like how steroids are prescribed to people after surgeries and even child birth? You're not serious are you? Of course blood doping is "cheating." Eating more protein or carbs is not the same as taking blood, storing it, then using an IV to increase your aerobic abilities. It is not on the high end of the spectrum of "wrongful cheating" but it is in the same category. One is eating, the other a medical procedure. I've had major back pain for about 15 years. A lower disc will slip, and I have to go on methylprednisolone. I feel like Superman after 2 days of the dose pack, but then have to trickle off it as it would ruin my body long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have been prescribed steroids a few times after having inhaled a lot of poison oak smoke.Those were corticosteroids right? I don't know how much performance benefit potential there is to those. I think the steroid term in this context refers to anabolic steroids. But I think nearly any of the abusable cheating techniques has some medical purpose. Just like most street drugs.like how steroids are prescribed to people after surgeries and even child birth?Pretty much, but I think it could involve some regulatory authority from the NFL, or whatever sports org. This could help keep a relatively level playing field, and ensure the players aren't buying the doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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