Strict Gun Control - Does It Work?

[RAzOR]

This happened yesterday:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ro...story?track=rss

Mother of four killed. She went outside to stop four guys who were trying to break in. She had a knife. They had a gun. She's dead.

In LA it is very difficult for the law abiding citizen to get a gun legally. In this case, the policy may have resulted in a mother of four dying while the criminals escaped.

Is this fair?

I thought the intent of gun control legislation was to reduce crime, not get law abiding citizans killed. But this is what seems to happen more and more.

If she had a gun, my bet is that the outcome would have been different and this woman would be alive today and one or more of those pieces of shit would have been dead.

[Che'_Moderator]

This happened yesterday:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ro...story?track=rss

Mother of four killed. She went outside to stop four guys who were trying to break in. She had a knife. They had a gun. She's dead.

In LA it is very difficult for the law abiding citizen to get a gun legally. In this case, the policy may have resulted in a mother of four dying while the criminals escaped.

Is this fair?

I thought the intent of gun control legislation was to reduce crime, not get law abiding citizans killed. But this is what seems to happen more and more.

If she had a gun, my bet is that the outcome would have been different and this woman would be alive today and one or more of those pieces of shit would have been dead.

If she had a gun she would be in jail. CA does not have home defense laws so even if they owned a legal gun that would not be a clean shoot. The other issue is WTF did she go outside with a knife? I own a lot of heavy equipment and there is no way I am walking out the door with 4 guys at my car. How do I know there is not a fifth behind the door. I am all for reform in gun laws but they are not the proverbial magic bullet to crime. We need both laxer and stricter laws at the same time.

[Chilled man]

Claymores Problems solved.

You break in it blows up .

[RAzOR]

...We need both laxer and stricter laws at the same time.

Sounds like you are contemplating a run at political office. :lol:

[Che'_Moderator]

Sounds like you are contemplating a run at political office.

NY, CT, MA, NJ, an a few others are overly restrictive. Yet all states lack appropriate measure to keeps firearms in safe hands. The Left argues points that are stupid as does the right. The correct stance is somewhere in the middle but the sides will not budge. I am 100% for ammo registration. Gun registration will never work. But make anyone buying ammo, ammo is cartridges or bullets, have a valid card. Track all ammo purchased in a central DB. In time ammo that is stockpiled will be depleted or ruin with age. This will not stop crime but it will make enforcing it loads easier. In the ends thats all we can hope for. Laws cannot change people, they can only punish those deemed fit.

[RAzOR]

What do you think of gun registration with an annual recertification involving education (latest issues, statistics, etc) and a proficificiency test (proper and safe handling, maintenance, firing, etc)?

I mean it takes regular testing to drive why not to own a firearm?

[Che'_Moderator]

What do you think of gun registration with an annual recertification involving education (latest issues, statistics, etc) and a proficificiency test (proper and safe handling, maintenance, firing, etc)?

I mean it takes regular testing to drive why not to own a firearm?

Its dumb. IF guns were invented today and went on sale tomorrow sure. Other wise no. I think 1 of my guns is registered and only because I obtained it through traditional channels. All the rest of mine are un registered and in traceable. Criminals are not gonna register their guns why should I? I do unsafe shit all the time and I do have yearly proficiency checks. I still press check. Been told not to a million times but whatever. Like I said there is no good answer. Its a bad situation but its not getting better any time soon. Look at NYC crime rate. Toughest gun control in the country.

[RAzOR]

I am trying to come up with a way where law abiding citizens could access personal firearms more readily. Seems that the more we do, the less the good guys have them and the more the criminals can press their advantage.

[Che'_Moderator]

I am trying to come up with a way where law abiding citizens could access personal firearms more readily. Seems that the more we do, the less the good guys have them and the more the criminals can press their advantage.

Mines on my shoulder or on my desk. Pretty easy to get to :P

[RAzOR]

Mines on my shoulder or on my desk. Pretty easy to get to

Where is it when you are eating at a restauraunt?

[Che'_Moderator]

Where is it when you are eating at a restauraunt?

On my shoulder or in someones purse.

[ErikS]

I am trying to come up with a way where law abiding citizens could access personal firearms more readily. Seems that the more we do, the less the good guys have them and the more the criminals can press their advantage.

Move to my state.

Serioulsy though . . . I am a strong advocate of strict gun control. The cost of private gun ownership to society far outways the benefits. It is part of the American way though, and would be hard to extract it from our culture.

The argument of the need to arm ourselves to protect each other from people who arm themselves seems to me a self-defeating viscious cycle.

[RAzOR]

...seems to me a self-defeating viscious cycle.

Yes, but it is reality.

On my shoulder or in someones purse.

No fair. Most folks (at least CA) no CCW's. Need something to address Joe and Jane Citizen. And I disagree with you about the CA home defense laws. My buds a DA for a town here. I'll ask him.

[Che'_Moderator]

Yes, but it is reality.

No fair. Most folks (at least CA) no CCW's. Need something to address Joe and Jane Citizen. And I disagree with you about the CA home defense laws. My buds a DA for a town here. I'll ask him.

CA has home and property laws under section 198.5 and 197. No retreat doctrine is in place but there is a qualifier about reasonable preclusion. I am pretty right wing and that lady was dumb for going outside. Had she gone out and shot someone and the one with the gun ran away even I think I would convict. If you are gonna pick a cause to get on a soap box about dont use this dumbass. Had she made any effort to call the police I would see it differently. But grabbing a knife she incubated an already bad situation.

[Denovae]

CA has home and property laws under section 198.5 and 197. No retreat doctrine is in place but there is a qualifier about reasonable preclusion. I am pretty right wing and that lady was dumb for going outside. Had she gone out and shot someone and the one with the gun ran away even I think I would convict. If you are gonna pick a cause to get on a soap box about dont use this dumbass. Had she made any effort to call the police I would see it differently. But grabbing a knife she incubated an already bad situation.

I agree, blaming strict firearm ownership laws is not the answer. If both had guns you might have even more dead. OP - focus on situational awareness of the mother. If I were in her position, and location, i would grab the kids, call the cops, and go out the back door to a neighbors and wait for the cops to show up. If it were in a different location with home defense laws, bet your ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD i'd get the kids out the back and tell them to go to the neighbors or basement... go get my remington 870-12, open a window slightly, get in cover, load the sucker up and chamber a round. no retard would think about trying to bust into a house knowingly against a loaded shotgun pointed at them.

I've had one attempted break in at my parents house which ended fairly quickly after my dad called the cops and loaded a mag into his stoner AR-10. the guys disappeared fairly quickly with a cellphone and a cd player.