Che'_Moderator Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I voted good idea purely from the Volvo business standpoint. History has proven that a prettied-up T-5 with essentially no performance enhancements and just cosmetic enhancement can generate excitement and even communities of enthuisasts (and limited access "R Forums"). I probably would have thrown in a gratuitous 10% horsepower tune on the ECU and maybe a shiny blow off valve like a binky for the Chuck's and Mitch's of the world, but otherwise, I can see them selling this car and meeting the expectations of most buyers that just want something that "looks impressive" and doesn't consume more fuel than its base counterparts.Yeah cause the S60Rs were such good sellers. If you cannot sell it with extra HP what makes them think it will sell without? The S60R depreciate something nutty like 50% in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97snowR Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 it all depends how much they raise the price on them, if its a reasonable increase over price than i think it is a good a idea and a step in the right direction (reminds me of the ever popular here corrolaS) and well lets face it guys in the volvo market we are a small percentage the average volvo consumer is not performance oriented... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 it all depends how much they raise the price on themI meant to say that. I think they overpromised performance with the R versus T-5 pricing in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost_Junky Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I voted good idea purely from the Volvo business standpoint. History has proven that a prettied-up T-5 with essentially no performance enhancements and just cosmetic enhancement can generate excitement and even communities of enthuisasts (and limited access "R Forums"). I probably would have thrown in a gratuitous 10% horsepower tune on the ECU and maybe a shiny blow off valve like a binky for the Chuck's and Mitch's of the world, but otherwise, I can see them selling this car and meeting the expectations of most buyers that just want something that "looks impressive" and doesn't consume more fuel than its base counterparts.This is the lazy way out. Kind of “let’s just give in to the what the other unimaginative car manufactures are doing.” Instead of going, “let’s give them what they want and more than they ever expected.” That’s what made the Mustang, Camaro, 850 and so on. It was more than we could even imagine. So…. Volvo let’s make a car that gets good mileage and good performance, it is possible, believe me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 This is the lazy way out. Kind of “let’s just give in to the what the other unimaginative car manufactures are doing.” Instead of going, “let’s give them what they want and more than they ever expected.” That’s what made the Mustang, Camaro, 850 and so on. It was more than we could even imagine. So…. Volvo let’s make a car that gets good mileage and good performance, it is possible, believe me!What if they threw in Samco hoses, poly mounts, drilled and slotted rotors and silicone vacuum hoses? Let's be realistic:ECU remap: cheap and doable (I would have done it, but I know not the support costs associated with it)Bigger turbo: great, but not justifiable for number of unitsDifferent trans or gearing: great, but not justifiable for number of unitsBetter brakes: not cheap, but nice to have. (remember most consumers consider "four wheel disc with ABS" to be high performance in braking)Sways and performance tuned springs: nice, but most will bitch about ride qualityLouder, free flowing exhaust: only car guys like loud exhaust, would alienate most of your potential buyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 What if they threw in Samco hoses, poly mounts, drilled and slotted rotors and silicone vacuum hoses? Let's be realistic:ECU remap: cheap and doable (I would have done it, but I know not the support costs associated with it)Bigger turbo: great, but not justifiable for number of unitsDifferent trans or gearing: great, but not justifiable for number of unitsBetter brakes: not cheap, but nice to have. (remember most consumers consider "four wheel disc with ABS" to be high performance in braking)Sways and performance tuned springs: nice, but most will bitch about ride qualityLouder, free flowing exhaust: only car guys like loud exhaust, would alienate most of your potential buyersYou are missing another aspect. Volvo and Ford both invest big time in racing. But most classes now are factory spec. They are screwing over anyone who might want to campaign a car by not building an R, Lite, or GT version. As gimp as the S60R was it allowed the teams to run AWD. All volvo has to do is build 500 AWD, high comp engined cars and that would give teams a base to built a VTS off of. The R-design is not even limited numbers. At least has Bill personally wax each of them and add a K&N for 2 more HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW T5R Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Well this is what I was hoping as they have a template to copy based on the same platform.Mazda 3 ---- Volvo C30 v1 & v2MazdaSpeed 3 ---- Volvo C30RKeep the cost down and match the performance capabilities of the MazdaSpeed 3. Then copy the same for the S40 ---- S40RBring new life into Volvo brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STWAG1N Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 considering they have that rally focus on the same platform and block which is awd, i dont know why they dont just change it's clothes and ship 1000 or so over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost_Junky Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 You are missing another aspect. Volvo and Ford both invest big time in racing. But most classes now are factory spec. They are screwing over anyone who might want to campaign a car by not building an R, Lite, or GT version. As gimp as the S60R was it allowed the teams to run AWD. All volvo has to do is build 500 AWD, high comp engined cars and that would give teams a base to built a VTS off of. The R-design is not even limited numbers. At least has Bill personally wax each of them and add a K&N for 2 more HP.Thats what I'm talking about. Give us the blueprint and we'll make our own. Dodge is doing it with the SRT, and GM has the Cobalt model. This works, Volvo could even get another company to do it so they could save on R&D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STWAG1N Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 maybe heico, or evolve, or IPD will sell their own tricked out version on the c30. i'd def be willing to pay for one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 maybe heico, or evolve, or IPD will sell their own tricked out version on the c30. i'd def be willing to pay for one of those.No you wouldn't LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Poor. Volvo should be able to offer 400hp models. Wuss-out IMHO. And to me, the S60R's performance was not at the same level as the cars it was competing against. It seemed to me to be some kind of middle ground in price and performance and ended up being nowhere. Beside, styling wise, Volvo's current lineup doesn't need much more. This just seems over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sconeman Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Volvo is introducing a line of special R-Design models, beginning with the limited-edition 2008 Volvo C30 R-Design.View the full articleR-design. Are you kidding me? If I could afford to buy one I'd be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0000 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 why dont they just give us the chance to make a dam car ... ......Rdesign FTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 They should have used another letter and disassociated the"R" from these new cars. Maybe they could use "SR" for Siegfried and Roy or some other illusionist. It will make me want to get rid of any "R" reference on my car. We are pretty much screwed anyway as new Camrys and Accords will out perform our cars. Somehow, Chevy can build an HHR SS for $25K ($495 for LSD and Brembos!!!) that will handle better and go better but Volvo give us a newt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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